Special Guest Post: PG&E's Risk Management Fail



There’s a saying that goes “mistakes are the tuition of learning”. The PG&E case in California is rife with risk management lessons where we can learn from the mistakes of others while they pick up the tab.

A big story in the financial news lately is the significant liabilities incurred by Pacific Gas and Electric or PG&E, the biggest electric company in California. The company’s core business is to generate and distribute electricity, and as a part of that business, they maintain the power lines that connect the power grid.

Government authorities have concluded that many of the fires that ravaged California over the past two years have been the result of power lines falling into trees, and California law finds PG&E liable for any costs related to fires where power lines were at fault. Matt Levine, a man so cynical and sarcastic he makes me look downright kind and forgiving,  crushes the capital structure story.  Levine brilliantly points out that there weren't any secrets here....only a massive unfunded liability that had PG&E whistling past the graveyard for years...and certainly throughout 2018. 

PG&E is, for all intents and purposes, bankrupt. How did a regulated utility get to that point so quickly? What were the warning flags? Was there a trade here? 

Let’s take a look at how a macro trader might have thought about the risk in PG&E stock.

Here is the stock chart back to 2004. In early 2017, you were probably feeling pretty good. Nice run higher. No big surprises. The dividend has been increased consistently over the past two years and credit ratings has been raised.

PG&E Stock Price, 2004-2018

Source: Bloomberg
  
Then in early 2017 a fire in northern California burned 36,000 acres and destroyed 5600 structures, including 2800 homes and killed 22 people.  The stock fell precipitously. The 1 week fall in the stock price was somewhat similar to what happened in the financial crisis.  

As a macro trader, how did you price fire risk before and after the 2017 fires? 

Did you have this quote in your back pocket as the risk manager? ““California law makes utilities responsible for any fire started by their equipment, even if they weren’t negligent.”   If you did, you might have forecasted a big loss, bigger than any drawdown in recent history--and certainly bigger than the PG&E liquid balance sheet-- based on the damage estimates of fires in recent history.

But as Donald Rumsfeld taught us, there are "known knowns" and unknown knowns, In 2017 the game changed….PG&E fire risk was a "known known".  Ben Hunt at Epsilon Theory might say fire risk at PG&E in 2018 was public knowledge, but not *common knowledge*. The balance sheet tightened and politicians started to circle the company. While there was an effort to protect the company from further extreme liabilities by allowing them to pass costs from these liabilities onto ratepayers, the latest round of fires in 2018 that were even more severe in terms of acreage, homes and lives lost, put the company in even greater peril. Now bankruptcy is on the table.

When the November 2018 Camp Fire destroyed about 10,000 structures, about 100 people and wiped an entire town of 20,000 people off the map, PG&E was finished. But even then, it took a while before common knowledge caught up. 

Yet those looking for how this risk was priced could have also used credit markets to illustrate this increasing risk…below I have a chart of PG&E’s credit risk in 5 year credit default swaps (CDS).  Note how throughout 2018 credit risk was increasing (a higher or wider CDS spread reflects an increasing risk of default), even before the Camp Fire  Bottom line, bond markets sniffed this out while equity markets pushed the stock 9% higher in 2018 before the fire on November 8.
  

PG&E 5y CDS

Source: Bloomberg

Do you think it was a coincidence that PG&E management did little to recapitalize the balance sheet for fire liabilities or commit to an extreme and fast maintenance fix when they couldn't pass the costs on to tax payers? Which means....it would have been at the cost of the stock price, their bonuses, stock options and probably jobs? 

PG&E management and stockholders clearly dramatically underestimated the costs and liabilities attached to fire risk. Some was willful, some was stupidly optimistic, and some was no doubt simply a combination of unlucky and ignorant. The fires had incredible human costs. It will also go down as a case study in capital structure, management incentives, and the value of macro analysis that identifies incentives and opportunities across asset classes. 


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Anonymous
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March 23, 2019 at 3:52 AM ×


Moniker,

Your wrong. The simple way to explain this market is...

The market lifted the lid off its the need to use liquidity to hold the market up. Simple. After all these years (15) the best it could do was joined the fiddlers on the bid to make a statement to the world ..."look at me!" ..." I know them all!"..." aren't I mr.wonderful"

ps...I'd rather a jail cell.

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fcp
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March 23, 2019 at 12:54 PM ×

Yield curve inverted, vol targeters now long as Feb 2018 recedes into the distance, momentum players now long over short medium and long term... and we're heading into a buyback window.

Time to cut equities, buy duration, and try a short on for size, focusing on SPX and retail ETFs.

JBTFD prepare your credit card, your CFD account is about to need a top up

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JBTFD
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March 23, 2019 at 2:15 PM ×

ROFL One down day on SPX (taking us back to the day before) and the internet keyboard warriors are all getting fired up!! Highly amusing.

Moniker - we've had the P&L discussion. No one here evidences anything - it's what makes this blog so special - so you'll just have to suck my dick (ask your wife/mom if you need some tips on that).

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Moniker
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March 23, 2019 at 3:08 PM ×

@JBTFD,

I’ve cast about in vain to craft an adequate reply but soon recognized my inferiority. You win. I’m simply not your intellectual equal.

I’m convinced. I will now just buy the dip.

Thank you Just, if I may call you that. Thank you.

My heart is settled, my mind sharpened by your keen and penetrating analysis. Your subtle discernment of the market chiaroscuro, the ineffably sublime gravity of your posts, the turn of phrase, the, dare I speak it, beauty of your prose.

Yes Just, we, the little people of this humble blog bask in your magnificence. Each yearning to one day follow you on the narrow and rocky way, grasping the nettle and simply, patiently, gloriously just buying the dip. Oh the words are honeyed. I’m overcome.

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Cbus20122
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March 25, 2019 at 4:49 PM ×

Once again - @moniker and others. Quit letting a troll get you emotionally riled up... that's the entire purpose of what they're doing. If people here can't ignore a random internet troll, how can they pretend to not let their emotions dictate whatever type of trading / investing they partake in?

If the buy the dippers want to repeat for the 2000th time that they are in fact buying the dip, who cares? Let them talk their crap, if anyone going against their viewpoint is right in the end, no shit talking will need to be done.

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Skr
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March 25, 2019 at 6:32 PM ×

YTD best European Indices, Greece and Italy with 16.6% and 12.4% go figure.

We are short US Equities, and are scouting other asset classes for ideas, but in no panic.

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Anonymous
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March 25, 2019 at 6:41 PM ×

The move in US front end over the week is huge compared to the pifling moves in equities, commods, em. Smells like a blow up out there. This disconnect needs to resolve one way or the other in the next few days, they can’t both be right

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Moniker
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March 25, 2019 at 9:25 PM ×

@Cbus,

Thanks brother but I’ve seen the light. I JBTFD and JBTFR today and peed a little bit the happiness was so overwhelming.

My Lord Just has shown the way. No man comes to riches but through the Dip. Maybe I can stop by some day and we can talk it through. I have some pamphlets we can go through together. You’ll know so much peace.

Just has given me a new name. I shall now be know as Little Dipper.

Peace

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Moniker
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March 26, 2019 at 12:22 PM ×

Do you see? All is well. My old and foolish self would have ground out a strong opinion (weakly held) based on a thesis of logic, reason, accountability, common sense, history, earnings, breakevens, margins, retracements and various intellectual impedimenta. Now I place my faith in the doctrine of Dipping Infallibility: when a Central Banker speaks he is incapable of sin. He utters truth from the font of Our Lord Just who illumines the hearts and minds of Economic PhDs everywhere. All I am called to do is believe. My P/L will be evidence of my faith as Just helps those who help themselves...by everywhere and always buying the Immaculate Dip.

Amen

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Anonymous
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March 27, 2019 at 1:29 AM ×

Fed nominee Steve Moore said the U.S. central bank should immediately cut rates by 50bps.

Finally the Fed seeing some sense!!! We can expect to see SPX up another 500 pts soon.

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Skr
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March 27, 2019 at 11:12 AM ×

Minus 2oo ticks on the Dow to come from a H&S, let's see how strong the conviction of the dippers is today. That Funny feeling that little Timmmy has an upset tummy and will be absent today.

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Nico
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March 27, 2019 at 3:25 PM ×

Moniker

what about Saint John Coltrane Church of San Francisco?

Love supreme, always

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Cbus20122
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March 27, 2019 at 9:22 PM ×

Brazil dropped nearly 8% today.... That's an enormous drop for a country index without much current mainstream chatter about it. Accompanied by what looks like renewed currency pressures across many emerging markets. Just sayin'...

I have a feeling a lot of people will be caught off guard if a repeat, potentially worse version of the EM pain that occurred in 2018 occurs yet again. Yield curve inversions do not help out global liquidity, and that only will serve to make the dollar more scarce.

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eve green
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March 28, 2019 at 8:48 AM ×

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eve green
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March 28, 2019 at 8:50 AM ×

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Skr
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March 28, 2019 at 7:43 PM ×

last chance guys, do it now if your gonna do it...

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Anonymous
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March 28, 2019 at 8:12 PM ×

Are you guys keeping an eye on HYG and IYR making new highs everyday? Is smart money betting on more QE?

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Anonymous
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March 28, 2019 at 10:04 PM ×

@ cbus20122..March 27, 2019 at 9:22 PM

INR gained since Indian elections were called ..Trump helping another despot(Opposition made fuss about U$/INR above 70)

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Skr
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March 30, 2019 at 6:18 PM ×

@Anon 8:12 PM "Is smart money betting on more QE?"

Fair enough question, even if it is rhetorical. Let's have a look at recent events 1)Bond markets pricing in a rate cut(s) this year 2) kudlow asking for an immediate rate cut of 50bp(wishes of the POTUS) 3)Kashkari says rate cut now would be 'premature'. As mentioned by a poster all can't be right, and if I may 4)inflation is low/high depending on whom you talk to, again both views can't be right or can they? One set is working off data that says inflation is low and the other set is calling Hogwash on how the data is calculated.
This was last chance salon weekend on many fronts (not just the US) to place bets, but the quarter ended with many unresolved issues and has in fact add more than when it started. So to answer your question - we hold strong our conviction of our "short US Equities" position. We feel that while smart money maybe right later on in the year, that they have got too far ahead of themselves. Looking at other classes we sre of the opinion that there is a lot of mispricing and therefore ample opportunities for Maxpain over the next 3-5 Months.
We will get on the batshit crazy train later in the year but at much better prices.

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Moniker
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April 2, 2019 at 12:52 PM ×

As this market is boring me to death, I’ll offer up a couple of thoughts and a question:

Free money and repressed rates a given because,

-Vast majority of people hate pain and love pleasure.
-Short-term thinking and acting dominates.
-Recency bias is always and everywhere a human phenomenon.

Infinite QE and rate suppression have an Achilles Heel:

Employment/Consumption/Earnings feedback loop.

Any subpar flap of any wing of any of those three could endanger the ultimate MacGuffin:

CONFIDENCE

The inherent weakness in our current economies here is slightly perverse: ONLY central banks can create money.

If one (companies and households) cannot create money and depends upon cash flows to service fixed, variable and capital costs, there is a saturation point, regardless of interest rate, that overwhelms the cash flows and quickly impairs one or all of our three butterflies. Ultimately, confidence is impaired and the game begins in earnest.

Lots of smart guys here. Any thoughts as to what that ratio might be?

Oh, and naturally it goes without saying to JBTFD. Amen amen.



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Eddie
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April 2, 2019 at 4:53 PM ×

ONLY central banks can create money.

I beg to differ. States create money by issuing collateral (read: govies) that can be used to create money out of thin air (read: repo). Central banks "only" control the amount of money versus the amount of paper (actually promises to pay).

My 2c since I have to run. Let's see where we stand on this tomorrow.

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Anonymous
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April 3, 2019 at 10:07 AM ×

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Listen here, guys. I really appreciated the macro market commentary. Like...I'm in my fourth year at uni, and you guys, well..keep me really motivated , and all that, but, I just have to come out , and be straight with it about those dreams. Don't take any notice of those housing market ads in the paper...its really going down like this...


"yoooouuuuuu muuuuust be kicking yourself...for noooooot pulling your finger out wheeeen you could"

"bad judgement...buuut"

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"aaaall that fuuukin money...pooouring... down the fuckin drain"

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"my chiiillllreeen won't eevverrr knoowww whaaat a wiinnnnerr iisss wheeennn I'mm goooooone"

"I aaam a fuuuckk upp in today's sooociety"

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Anonymous
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April 3, 2019 at 11:59 AM ×



Listen here, guys. I want to thank you all for your macro market commentary over the years...and I know I've helped some of youz out too ( no modesty here). But...I have to let you all know...I won't be part of any subscription service or hedge fund in the future It just isn't for me. The time table schedule, and all that ...just won't cut it with all the things I'll be doing in the future that have to be done before I kick the bucket. But...on special request, and with editorial help, I will contribute an article here and there for my market commentary friends once I have put together what I have planned. Its all sweet.

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Eddie
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April 3, 2019 at 2:36 PM ×

Consumption is already stalling since Aug 2018 on a SA basis (so the underlying data is probably worse than that). Ignore the talking heads and the WSJ who celebrate the latest blip while ignoring that Dec 2018 was crappy by any measure, especially given the "synchronized global growth" we currently experience. The butterfly might already flap its wings.

I would add inflation (and fear thereof) to your list but otoh inflation begets inflation, so we need some trigger to get the party started and I have no idea where this would come from. Right now it looks like we are stuck in a low growth world.

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cs
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April 3, 2019 at 3:20 PM ×

Bond markets are denying inflation and look like will continue to do even though overbought technically on short term.
More on this:

https://www.advisorperspectives.com/commentaries/2019/03/20/us-yields-could-still-have-quite-a-bit-more-downside

Equities, as usual, are always last to catch up but that's required so as to distribute evenly at good levels to well-conditioned dipsters.

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JBTFD
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April 3, 2019 at 5:53 PM ×

So how are all you fuckwits here enjoying the continuous push up to higher levels in equity indexes?

I know, I know, people shouldn't keep buying the dips right? LOL. Look, I want to publicly thank you guys for being the dumb money. I honestly don't know where we'd be without you. Keep up the good work! :)

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cs
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April 3, 2019 at 7:43 PM ×

Nice reversal on cards in equities while bonds will consolidate in short to medium term. VIX up ~5% is a good signal.

Dipsters are reminded to buy semis, oil, socials, ipos, china on every oncoming dip :-)

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Leftback
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April 3, 2019 at 8:32 PM ×

Not a big surprise to see a rotation out of USTs into equities to start the quarter. 401k punters don’t buy Treasuries, or even know how in general, and presumably the convexity hedging trade was done.

We closed our FXI and IWM short positions about ten days ago, ahead of the front runners leading the charge before the q2 fund flows, and managed to close out while still in profit. Today we are seeing some signs of bovine fatigue. The IWM has lagged generally speaking so we are going to stay with that as a shorting vehicle for now. We also like a modest long in JPY as insurance against the BLS data following ADP lower, and and have a barbell setup in GBP for the near term, it is hard to believe that the FX market wouldn’t move sharply one way or the other, in response to: hard Brexit, May resigning, Norway plus, 2nd referendum or another postponement.

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Moniker
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April 3, 2019 at 8:38 PM ×

My Lord Just hath spoken! Look upon his works, ye mighty, and despair. Oh ye Dumbest of the Dumb, ye Fuckethwits of Freefall. Bask in his magnificence, oh you unworthy. Fall down and let his light shine over you. The Dip, The Dip, ye must buy the Dip. Thank you oh Lord Just for condescending to improve our lean bloviations and wretched fumblings. We thank thee. Amen.

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Leftback
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April 4, 2019 at 12:12 AM ×

The feelings are completely mutual, obviously!

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Anonymous
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April 4, 2019 at 4:28 PM ×

Blog is dead? Been away for 6months...

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Leftback
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April 4, 2019 at 5:37 PM ×

Not dead like XIV, but sleeping, like VIXY. Or waiting for a second act, like Grant in Galena.

It would be good to have a new post, but that requires a lot of time and a serious Macro theme to write about. If LB was to pen a post it would just be one of those trading noise things and then the 12 yo. HFMs would be like: you suck, spooz rule, dude! and other people would be all up in the 12yo HFMs business, like you are annoying and wear your sister’s clothes; and then it would degenerate again.

So with that in mind, we will not discuss the spooz. We are short IWM, and we’ll see where that goes. As MM pointed out this week, small caps have lagged the market, which means either iwm is going to play catch up or else it’s telling us something about fading market breadth and momentum.

Now, on to FX. Everyone seems to want to be long DX here, assuming that we are going to get a big bounce back March jobs report, that Yoorp sucks man, and nobody wants to be long GBP because, like, Brexit, No Deal, and they are all weirdos over there. Nobody wants to be long JPY, like, ever. All of which makes us wonder if the MAGA mania regarding the greenback is a bit overdone. If we were really going to see a vigorous bounce back in the US, then why would the Fed continue to make such cautious noises, and why would yields have sunk as low as they did last week? Many punters are set up for another “ADP is a useless pile of shit, here is a massive beat” number. Consensus is 179k, but lots of punters are ignoring the yield curve and expecting another monster >200k. We will go with 100k.

Let’s take the other side of these popular positions just for a moment. The Fed is on hold, they told us quite clearly a little while ago. One wonders if they would have moved the goalposts a bit if another stonking 250k job number was imminent. The truth is the Fed no sees a lot of late cycle indicators, and they really are going to stay put, which means all the FX risk at the moment in certain pairs is now to the downside. The Euro is more hated than Joe Biden, so the safe havens are gold and JPY.

Now, Brexit. In spite of the reasonable conclusion that HM government lack the ability to organize a piss-up in a brewery, we are seeing signs of movement among MPs in Westminster as well as signals from Brussels to the effect that another extension of Article 50 is the most likely resolution of next week’s deadline. I know there are going to be howls from the peanut gallery, but we told you that a March 29 Brexit wasn’t going to happen, and it didn’t.

If you read about the problems that would be created by a no deal Brexit, it is easy to understand why it is not going to happen next week either. Basically, nobody has a plan. We are not talking about shocking shortages of Camembert in Sainsbury’s here, but about real issues in durable goods supply chains. Aerobus wings and engines, for example, try reading about that. The interdependence of UK and EU business is just not well understood by the man on the Clapham omnibus, who has been misled by the ERG and their acolytes regarding the likelihood of the resurgence of the glorious days of Empire. Love the EU or hate it, this is the truth.

We are going to see another extension, postponement, call it what you will, simply because everyone involved is too incompetent to create a plan of action, and as a consequence we will see some absolutely world-class can-kicking from London and Brussels. From this perch, we see quite a lot of money parked in the US as a Brexit hedge, and we think that unwinds. UK equity prices may be mixed, but you can probably assume that the banks will rally along with the pound.

OK that’s all. Grab your popcorn and we’ll see what the BLS random number generator comes up with tomorrow. Remember that hours worked and hourly wages are at least as important as the headline number.

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TraderJim
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April 4, 2019 at 5:51 PM ×

Fun facts on inverted yield curves - causes recessions due to tightening bank lending rather than 'predict' recessions. Banks borrow short lend long right?

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2018/december/inverted-yield-curve-cause-recession

Me, I prefer confirmation from the 4-week moving average of Initial claims, which has improved, so no recession today :)

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quiet1
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April 5, 2019 at 10:38 AM ×

@Leftback "everyone involved is too incompetent to create a plan of action".

Truth is there isn't a Brexit that delivers what people voted for which was to have all the benefits of membership of the EU without the costs.

Not being able to deliver unicorns is not incompetent!

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Leftback
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April 5, 2019 at 2:22 PM ×

Jobs data first. Headline a little stronger, but wage growth was a big miss, 0.1% v 0.3% m/m and perhaps that is why we see 5-10y flat and usdjpy has barely budged. Don’t be surprised if today ends up as a Sell the News kind of day by the close.

On Brexit, we see more uncertainty pushing cable lower, yet already another postponement is being mooted, as we had discussed here yesterday. It isn’t hard to understand why punters are selling sterling but you can also see the potential for another decent-sized squeeze as soon as the immediate April 12 apocalypse is finally off the table. People will eventually get tired of losing money on apocalypse trades, and the country is going to continue to function between now and the next deadline. This is getting like Italy, where political uncertainty is almost a constant and eventually the parliamentary pan to simply ceases to matter. We are adding some GBP longs on weakness today.

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Leftback
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April 5, 2019 at 2:27 PM ×

@quiet1: Absolutely spot-on, thanks for the clarification.

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quiet1
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April 5, 2019 at 2:59 PM ×

It's amazing how the whole Brexit debate has drifted to harder and harder Brexits being acceptable to the leavers. This twitter thread (including the polling at the bottom) is a very good round up of the shift:

https://twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/1113547733300842497?s=20

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Jim
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April 5, 2019 at 3:51 PM ×

The Brexit vote was simple:

Remain a member of the European Union

Leave the European Union

Those voting for Brexit were not under any illusion "to have all the benefits of membership of the EU without the costs". They simply wanted out from under control of a nameless bureaucracy that enriched themselves, answered to no one and was destroying their lives.

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Cbus20122
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April 5, 2019 at 4:41 PM ×

It's becoming increasingly important for traders to adopt a long-short framework in my opinion that accounts for conditions of a post-yield curve inversion blow off top.

We all know the risks in the economy long term, but politics is 100% invested in propping up markets at all cost, irrationality can occur longer than solvency, and there is a strong historical precedent for market behavior in these types of environments.

I think the ideal play at this point in time is something along these lines:


Long Dollar

Long bubble type stocks (weed, cloud software)

Long Bonds

Long REIT's

Short heavy industry, consumer staples, retail. Bonus points for shorting stuff with bad balance sheets.

Short Financials

Limited European / Emerging Market exposure



As most know on here, I'm a bear, especially over a longer term time horizon, and I'm still more short than I am long, but I think in the current low vol environment, it's a great time to add hedges to the upside as vol is super cheap. It's not a brainless BTFD play, but rather just acknowledging that being right and making money are often two different sides of a spectrum.

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April 5, 2019 at 5:58 PM ×

It isn't often when I'm in the situation of being long risk at this time of year with so much uncertainty around ,but the market action us stubbornly positive in the face of everything. Now perhaps that is complacency, but at least with regard to the UK I suspect it's more to do with prior outflows over the last 15 months. Being a top down type of investor I'm always concerned about US equity markets as well because if they move strongly against risk then they take most other risk markets with them when it is in fact a broad market turning point.
That's also why I'm struggling to find reason to bail though and that is despite that damn yield curve episode. You see I agree with CBUS at least in terms of the political aspects of the situation. Do we have any historical precedence for recessions commencing at this sort of juncture in the Presidential cycle? With about 18 months to go old Donald is going to be moving heaven and earth to get market feelgood working for him. Indeed, when it comes to a recession I'd tend to be thinking after the US elections would seem a more likely scenario. Worked very hard to get this year to get 'real' diversifaction going and so far it's paid off so I'm reluctant to rebalance right now. I do have an eye on the FTSE if it makes it past 7500 and if that was to occur with some so called magic resolution of Brexit (even longwinded delay) then that might just be the time to fade that market. Especially if we get there with seasonality of May onwards working with it. The fact is in the runup to the new tax year 6th April it's just not wise to fight the new moneyflow running via Sipps/Isas. It also does not make any sense to read into that kind of investment any particular positive economic/political rational ,because frankly I suspect most of it is 'dumb' money. Hence, when it dries up moving forward we'll get a better idea of the net move.

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Skr
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April 5, 2019 at 6:28 PM ×

@Cbus, long Europe/short US equities I talked about this last Oct/Nov but no one listened. ECB are ahead of the curve for that "helping hand" China deal benefits Europe also. Some are more.macro than others. Dollar has been pricing this in.

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Cbus20122
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April 5, 2019 at 8:51 PM ×

Also, just want to bring up another analogue that I've mentioned on here a few times, that being the lead up to the dotcom bust, between 1998 and 2000... Here are some similarities if we are assuming today is the equivalent to 1999.

- Presidential cycle ending in the next year
- Presidential cycle coming off a scandal (lewinsky / Mueller)
- Markets coming off a 20% correction scare, which saw EM strongly under-perform domestic markets
- Strong dollar type environment, relatively cheap oil & commodity prices
- Domestic Valuations are quite high, but have room to go higher
- Huge outperformance of growth relative to value
- Bubbles popping up domestically (they're harder to spot this time, but they're there between cloud, crypto, marijuana, etc as opposed to the singular dotcom bubble)
- Burgeoning issues in corporate credit
- Cyclical real-economy type industries (autos, transports, homebuilders, retail) underperforming over a longer term time frame while high-p/e growth grows irrationally
- Huge wave of late-cycle IPO's of non-profitable companies occurring as private equity offloads their junk onto retail after years of subsidizing non-profitable growth


Now, just to clarify, there 100% are some big differences this time around, and I think that will influence how things play out, but I think it's important to consider context when thinking about possibilities.

- First, the dotcom bubble is still fresh in a lot of people's minds, so I'm not sure valuations will get so disconnected from reality, but who knows.

- The "scare" within emerging markets hasn't actually resolved itself around this time. In 1998, the Asian flu crisis and Russian crisis were resolved before we hit our blowoff top. This could potentially make a drawdown from a potential bubble top much more dangerous.

- We didn't have central bank backstops like we do now, and Europe was a relatively good market back then. Now Europe is very cheap, but has no growth and a lot of risk.

- We are far more fractured politically now than we ever were before.

- There is far more global credit risk and illiquidity risk out there right now than there was in 2000.

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Skr
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April 5, 2019 at 8:59 PM ×

As the warm fuzzzy feeling descends over my hamburger it dawned on me: if I keep my shut and let things play out, I will get four more years four more years.. Oh look donoughts

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JBTFD
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April 6, 2019 at 8:01 AM ×

Trump is calling for: 1) rate cuts 2) QE4

He will of course get both. The Fed was never independent, and he has now appointed 3 cronies to it. A China trade deal could add +2000 points to the Dow and rate cuts and QE4 another +10,000 points (or more). Every other CB is in easing mode (especially the PBoC) so we should see global equities all follow suite.

It's going to be a fun time for those short.

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Moniker
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April 6, 2019 at 9:13 AM ×

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...12,000 points. In nomine Dippy, et Buy-ie, et Spiritus Powelli, amen.

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cs
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April 6, 2019 at 4:46 PM ×

PBOC usual, generous start of year easing is for the domestic sector and will help China only ...
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/loans-to-private-sector

That's why almost everybody was long here in Jan.

Trade deal will also help China only. If Xi is pushing it, then that clearly means Trump caved.

Powell changed the language for dipsters to come back and buy again. Trump can't do anything to change Fed course except blame them on twitter.

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Cbus20122
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April 7, 2019 at 4:52 PM ×

A somewhat cynical thought I have is that Trump may now know what happens if he bursts a Chinese asset bubble.

Politics being wthat they are, Trump wants to get re-elected. Trump is smart enough to realize that a recession means he won't get re-elected. Trump also finally realized the risks that come from bursting a Chinese asset bubble. Therefore, we now have gone from incredibly hawkish on trade to a much softer stance.

More importantly, I have a feeling that Trump's desire to cut rates and restart QE has less to do with the US economy, and more to do with not letting China's currency bubble fall apart. He's trying to devalue the dollar, which allows China to stimulate and keep their Currency from devaluing.

If we're playing some political game theory here, it would make sense to realize that Trump will be trying to devalue the dollar here. It also makes sense why a trade deal will simply be delayed indefinitely, since that would give markets an excuse to sell off. The question of course is whether he can be successful at this, which I'm not so sure of.

This is part of why I'm mostly interested in just owning treasury bonds right now. They perform well in this environment regardless of the outcomes I mentioned above. Until we start seeing inflation start to rise and central banks return to being hawks, bonds will be the easy money.

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Anonymous
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April 8, 2019 at 9:20 PM ×

Nico shorted 500 contracts of ES, confident that 2019 would see indexes crash. Unfortunately, we are now 600 points higher, and almost at ATHs (as all the btfd people correctly predicted).
500cts x $50/pt x 600pts = -$15million

Negative 15 million bucks. No wonder he's disappeared from the blog.

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Anonymous
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April 9, 2019 at 2:23 AM ×



Anonymous,

You have no idea. I was going to be a "Gongster" of eastern suburbs. I was going to be a real earner for the boys!

A real gongster that is...one that gets up each morning, and does the early morning gongster beach walk from Bronte to Bondi with the boys. I should've been the man. You know...that gongster that gets up each morning in that luxurious eastern suburbs house and gets his training in before 9am each morning...then catches up with everyone be midday after telling everyone what other gongsters he bumped into on the morning walk.

Oh my...I coulda been a contender!

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JBTFD
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April 9, 2019 at 8:31 AM ×

@Anonymous - Fortunately Nico's on a demo account, so the loss shouldn't be too bad. He's posted about size shorting ES multiple times before here over the past 10 years, then once his losses reach circa ten million he disappears until everyone forgets his failure. lol.

And all his supporters here are just as bad - none of these fckwits could trade their way out of a wet paper bag.

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Moniker
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April 9, 2019 at 3:21 PM ×

My Lord Just,

Why do you sport with your inferiors? It is beneath your majesty, if I may say so. Clearly, someone has blundered. Theirs is not to make reply, theirs is not to reason why, theirs is but to do and die. You soil yourself my Lord by casting such pearls before these lowest of ursine swine.

Let these pitiable ones repair to the colder climes of a private blog (where we brighter ones shall not venture). The sooner the better. Cast into the outer darkness they grind and spit; while we few, we happy few, bask in your magnificence.

Amen

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Anonymous
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April 9, 2019 at 3:42 PM ×



Moniker,

The lord. Hedger.

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Bob's Uncle
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April 9, 2019 at 5:46 PM ×

Moniker,
You need your own blog. This stuff needs to get shared with the rest of the world.

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Anonymous
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April 9, 2019 at 8:36 PM ×

New article please and take out the trash

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Anonymous
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April 11, 2019 at 10:30 AM ×

Can we delete all these idiot-wannabe-macro eegit posters?
The btfd crowd may be monotonous but at least they make money, the rest of the posters are literally a waste of space.

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Anonymous
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April 11, 2019 at 1:33 PM ×

RIP macroman. This board is being dominated by a moronic btfd crowd. The value here is the macro discussion about why things might happen, not stupid market calls

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Anonymous
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April 12, 2019 at 2:47 AM ×



Anonymous,

This is a macro blog...lets trade. This is what happens to trump supporters.

You get your ass handed to ya!

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Anonymous
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April 12, 2019 at 11:10 AM ×




Macro trade of the year...Life is too short to move to America.

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Anonymous
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April 12, 2019 at 11:29 AM ×



Macro trade of the year. I remember when I was young...that myself, and everyone around me wanted to get a green card to go ride track work in America...that was the ultimate goal in my world. What happen!

There is nothing left for me. When macro trading at the start of this business cycle of central banking low interest rates many years ago...I used sit alone in the city internet cafe's when they we're a new thing!...and just dreeeeeam of moving to Costa Rica while reading all the Costa Rica sportsbooks articles on their websites. I could tell you past macro trades from sitting alone in that city internet cafe that wouldn't you believe, if I was tell you today. And to this day...more than ever, and not due to past macro trade failures.I would settle for Costa Rica before anything America could ever throw at me. I couldn't give a fuck. Macro trading...



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JBTFD
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April 12, 2019 at 9:13 PM ×

Let's stick to facts. The SP500 has made new 2019 highs, and is just under it's all time high. This is exactly what I have said would happen (numerous times).

Guys, this isn't difficult. Just do the opposite to Nico and most of this blog and you'll make a small fortune.

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Moniker
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April 12, 2019 at 11:57 PM ×

My Lord,

While you are imminently correct, it is “do the opposite ‘of’ Nico” not ‘to.’ My Lord, anyway, Nico is clearly of Italian extraction and is congenitally hot-blooded. He is not of your calibre my Lord. My Lord, while I am but a worm in your eminent presence, should we be dealing in “facts” with the swine of this blog? I only ask my Lord for surely it is by faith that we must live and not by sight. Faith in, obviously your greatness first my Lord, but also in the angelic central bankers. Surely, my Lord would it not be better to leave them to their losses? You, in your charity, clearly have made enough money to justify sparring with these idiots on a third-rate, no-name blog. Why demean yourself?

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Skr
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April 13, 2019 at 5:12 PM ×

Brilliant as usual amps. Do you remember when you were only a number(the good old days), now your only a fucking stat. Real jobs, real economy fake people. You had your chance - death by rebellion. The three of you are some pair of tosspots.

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Anonymous
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April 13, 2019 at 10:09 PM ×

Global Macro Hedge Funds under-perform the index again:
https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1117148272622231557

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Anonymous
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April 15, 2019 at 1:02 PM ×



Skr,

I am remember everything. So much so...my handle is Memberberry1988. I just cannot believe the bludgers that are around today. I am cashing in.

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Anonymous
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April 16, 2019 at 7:13 AM ×



Skr...I remember...do member what would happen to me...if I was the frenchman.

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Anonymous
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April 16, 2019 at 10:39 AM ×



I have a message for you , frenchman. You can hide behind the elite all you like. The karma wheel doesn't discriminate against money. You and the American have truly and well jumped on it. You both don't have enough old money combined to stop the world watching the wheel of karma justice drag the both you out in front of the world, and display the process of both your souls being trashed into the aether.

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Anonymous
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April 16, 2019 at 3:13 PM ×



The frenchman , has yet to learn, trail by ordeal.

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Anonymous
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April 16, 2019 at 5:14 PM ×

The frenchman lost all his money shorting ES - what a loser!

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Anonymous
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April 16, 2019 at 6:15 PM ×

Well I have been watching from the sidelines. Most of the (macro) posters here have been proved wrong time & again. These long-only equity posters ARE correct. SPX is in full melt-up (as they correctly predicted). Embarrassing how the macro posters here have all run away now that their theses have been proven incorrect. Weak!

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Nico
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April 17, 2019 at 12:58 PM ×

i have disappeared because i am busy preparing the Greek season and have nothing relevant to say: no deal in China, no Brexit deal, perhaps one more Fed hike - it does not matter when the tape is on autopilot so far you did not need to think at all in 2019.

2900 was worst case scenario so it hurts when you reach it - the dipsters made money but frankly have no elegance - you can party when market makes a lasting new ATH so far the market only took all bears out

trail your longs and look ahead:

a test of 2790, then 2725 is warranted those next months - if we do get a blow off top on a China porcelain deal, then we will go deeper to the low 2600s. I am holding

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Nico
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April 17, 2019 at 1:00 PM ×

PS: i will start to worry when Gundlach gives up. You laugh, but he's expecting the 2340s buyers to puke under 2300.

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Nico
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April 17, 2019 at 3:33 PM ×

i forgot Ray he is great company too, if you are patient enough

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-funds-bridgewater/bridgewater-warns-of-peak-u-s-profit-margins-lower-stock-prices-idUSKCN1RT1PP?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FbusinessNews+%28Business+News%29

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Leftback
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April 17, 2019 at 5:25 PM ×

Trying to ignore noise in the markets and on the blog. We have been watching and shorting the small cap ETF, IWM, for some weeks now. It has continued to underperform while the spooz have risen and vol sellers have been cavorting like lazy sunbathers.

Today, we see the following: possible reversal candle in IWM, also in the real estate ETF, IYR. HYG seems overbought here so we are watching that too. There isn’t a lot more room for vol selling once the VIX gets down to 12, so it wouldn’t be surprising to see vol spike here. Likewise, JPY may be carving out a bottom here too.

Chinese economic data and Trump’s golf scorecard. What do they have in common? There are some more objective data Avila le on electricity consumption that would tend to suggest that China is in a mild recession, and that 6.4% GDP is a fantasy. Nevertheless PBoC may respond to the “stronger” Chinese data by slowing the pace of liquidity injections.

Seasonal factors, buyback blackout period and some Fed “QT” operations all make the second half of April look less appealing to risk punters than the first half. Sell in May and Go Away looks like it might be more appropriate than normal this year.

Perhaps someone can do a post on Sell in May? Or How Fake is Chinese GDP? Or indeed, a new post called New Post? Cmon man!



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April 18, 2019 at 2:05 AM ×

Been a while since I've commented here. We're hitting a point of exuberance on this upward move, especially if you look at stuff like Semiconductors. I'm not sure I've seen many divergences from the fundamentals so strong as we're seeing in semi's right now, but they caught a ton of momentum and tick enough boxes on style factor alg's that they're running really hot (along with obvious news items).

I mentioned back in December that I didn't want to be short semiconductors (after shorting them from August until then) due how oversold they got along with the basic fact that quite a few still had strong basic meausurable ratios such as a low p/e, low debt, high ev/ebitda, etc. look good. But none of that is taking into account demand and oversupply, which is the primary thing that drives semis, which is also looking absolutely awful right now.

We're rallying to all time highs in semiconductors after Samsung announces a 66% drop in profits, a huge oversupply in dram, and we've seen a huge price drop in dram... wtf?

On a side note, looking at the healthcare sector, I think it is a bit foretelling of how this rally is going to sell off once it breaks relevant levels to flip the CTA algorithms. Obviously there are fundamental issues within healthcare, but the nature of the sell off on news that was already fairly well understood is rather ridiculous. You mean to tell me people just in the past 2 days realized that democrats want universal healthcare in the 2020 election? There are obvious risks that are being discounted, but the selloff here is much more of a systematic nature given how violent it's been. I'm rather intrigued at how semi's and other overbought sectors fare when they see similar levels broken and factor flips.


On an anecdotal sidenote, I came across something rather interesting that probably doesn't mean a ton, but I think is at least worth taking to mind for anyone of a somewhat technical persuasion.... Pull up a long term chart of Gold, and then pull up a long term chart of AIG before the financial crisis. It's rather stunning how similar the charts look before AIG fell from 1800 to needing to be bailed out.

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Anonymous
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April 18, 2019 at 3:46 PM ×

A big thank you to the macro men for your recent comments. As you're all convinced this equity bull run is over, I can safely bet that you're all wrong and maintain my long exposure. Not wanting to sound offensive but you've all been 100% wrong for the past 9 years, so fading you is an extremely high probability bet. Thanks again, and enjoy the bank holiday.

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Anonymous
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April 18, 2019 at 4:34 PM ×

What a moron. LB has often been right over the years, even if usually he just fades whatever is looking overextended/exhausted.

The valueless barrage of jbtd continues. Enjoy you 5bp rally a day. The real money was made when the jbtd were completely silent

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Cbus20122
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April 18, 2019 at 6:11 PM ×

Currency markets breaking today with some pretty important information embedded within some of these moves.

Take a look at USDCHF, JPYUSD and other dollar-based indexes. There is some important information embedded here in my opinion. I think one of the better plays right now with relation to these is to be short gold.

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April 21, 2019 at 12:32 PM ×



I've had enough of you , you 13 year old hedge fund manager, and you lot in switzerland, and france, not mention the city . You thought you would see winter through didn't ya! You thought wrong. Why?...because I will always be able to rate a game, just like those furlongs to the working gallop. You stay lot stay where you are...and that way I can stay well clear.

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Anonymous
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April 22, 2019 at 3:50 PM ×

Stfu amps you crackhead. No-one here wants to listen to your inane childish drivel.

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JBTFD
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April 23, 2019 at 7:46 PM ×

SP500 breaks ATH's - exactly as I predicted. All the fckwit macro men wrong for the thousandth time.

Obviously a lot of morons losing money, but for anyone with half a brain, trading is the easiest job in the world. Central banks are engineering a massive asset bubble & inflation, and will never stop. Global equities will double, maybe triple from here.

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Moniker
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April 24, 2019 at 2:23 PM ×

Well well.

Since markets are reading from the 1999 script and reductio ad absurdum being the order of the day...

And not content with that
With our hands behind our backs
We pull Jesus from a hat!
Get into that! Get into that!

What ho, a dusky swan wheels into view...

The Assyrian came down like the wolf on the fold,
And his cohorts were gleaming in purple and gold;
And the sheen of their spears was like stars on the sea,
When the blue wave rolls nightly on deep Galilee.

Like the leaves of the forest when Summer is green,
That host with their banners at sunset were seen:
Like the leaves of the forest when Autumn hath blown,
That host on the morrow lay withered and strown.

For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

And there lay the steed with his nostril all wide,
But through it there rolled not the breath of his pride;
And the foam of his gasping lay white on the turf,
And cold as the spray of the rock-beating surf.

And there lay the rider distorted and pale,
With the dew on his brow, and the rust on his mail:
And the tents were all silent, the banners alone,
The lances unlifted, the trumpet unblown.

And the widows of Ashur are loud in their wail,
And the idols are broke in the temple of Baal;
And the might of the Gentile, unsmote by the sword,
Hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord!

It won’t be Christmas forever.

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Skr
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April 24, 2019 at 11:22 PM ×

From experience comes testimony.

Anyhoo- there used to be an old email address that one could foward macro ideas to the author, where upon said person would put thier stamp on it, or just give credit and let a well written piece be. Does this still exist? Leaders galore on here!
Whereever I lay my hat-that's my home.

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Anonymous
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April 25, 2019 at 9:52 AM ×

Further all-time-highs after hours in Nasdaq yesterday, once again proving the macro fags to be unmitigated idiots. We live in a central bank driven low vol environment, where every dip will be bought - permanently. All the assholes here who've been shorting for 10 years are dead (many times over). Macro funds are the worst performing sector in finance, and still these idiots never learn. If anyone visits this blog to learn something, just remember to always do the opposite of these losers.

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NicoG
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April 26, 2019 at 3:51 PM ×

It's clear the Fed are buying futures directly to keep this market propped up. I have lost over $15 million shorting /ES because of this blatant manipulation. We will have massive repercussions down the road when the financial system implodes due to these fucking idiots. I'm done here.

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Anonymous
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April 26, 2019 at 11:58 PM ×

After today's ATH on the S&P, will the bullish breakout fail next week and cause the market to go away in May?

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Anonymous
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April 29, 2019 at 8:27 PM ×

The market will keep going up, macro fags will keep losing money. So nothing new.

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April 30, 2019 at 8:52 AM ×



Anonymous,

It's time someone set you straight around here. You don't get to come into my space and drag me over old ground. Especially the old ground that this bubble market has tried to encapsulate me in. You just don't get to do it. None of you do. I could end up on a park bench again, and your mob and the boys would never come to mind. For the last 12 years , wherever I've lived I have made sure that I have the phone numbers and addresses of all the homeless shelters and food stamp outlets in case of emergencies after being displaced continuously over the last 16 years. I have no problem hitting the street again knowing what I have saved in the mind cloud drive. Your trading status, wealth and connections are of no concern to me. Your continuous trolling of this blog and of other punters is nothing but an amusement at this stage of the show...yet try and change the act on stage to help you find a seat at the game...but I am afraid, with you at the table, there would be no game at all. Stick to your own game , yeah hey...

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April 30, 2019 at 1:32 PM ×

So SPX broke above ATHs yesterday. The JBTFD guys were right after all. Interestingly, Nico has gone silent. There's a lesson here folks... people like Nico show no transparency. They make stupid calls and run away with their tail between their legs when proven wrong. Those here who stuck up for him are similarly guilty. To be honest, you guys have become a farce.

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Moniker
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April 30, 2019 at 2:06 PM ×

https://www.themacrotourist.com/posts/2019/04/29/machine/

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April 30, 2019 at 9:56 PM ×

NEW ALL-TIME-HIGHS IN SPOOZ !

SO MUCH WINNING FOR US BUYTHEDIPPERS !!!
Watch and learn you morons! Bwahahahahaha...

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May 1, 2019 at 8:43 PM ×

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Anonymous
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May 1, 2019 at 9:19 PM ×

Powell just threw the cat among the pigeons aka brainless dipsters/trolls.

Time for them to fly away first from this blog.

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Anonymous
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May 2, 2019 at 2:43 AM ×



Anonymous,

Have a look at sydney's loveable larrikin , singo. He can't a take loss. Refuses to cut his losses. There is...running into the clubhouse, oops....I mean the stewards room...blah blah blah bitch.

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Anonymous
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May 2, 2019 at 4:26 PM ×

Stfu amps you crackhead !!!

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Anonymous
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May 3, 2019 at 6:45 PM ×

Buy the dip works again! (Up almost +2% in a day - 2x more than the average macro fund made this month).

Folks, trading is the essence of simplicity. You btfd EVERY time in SPX, it has not AND WILL NOT ever fail. Why? Because central banks worldwide will keep rates low forever, and produce asset price inflation at any cost. If rate are ever allowed to rise all developed nations would go bust (so this won't happen). Further if central banks don't produce asset price inflation, retirement funds will go bust (so this won't happen). It is that easy.

Fire your asset manager. Go 100% net long equities. On every dip, double your long exposure. You will be wealthy within 5 years.

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Anonymous
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May 4, 2019 at 7:32 AM ×

I bet LeftBack got his ass handed him on a plate shorting IWM when it put in it's biggest rally of the year. What a moron! lol.

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Anonymous
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May 4, 2019 at 3:22 PM ×

(Abusive + trolls + non-sense) / Sensible messages ratio.. has reached a nastiest level of this blog life.
Dipsters army may finally get a bonus from their bosses this time !!

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM ×

This forum has been an incredible resource - LB calling the bottom in Dec etc.

Can we please moderate?

It shouldn't be too hard to simply remove any comment criticising or bullying another commentator, and the troll/bangalore packers and movers would soon lose interest.

Everything's about to get interesting again

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM ×

Did any of you buy today's dip in US equity indexes??? Were you man enough?
I doubt it, which is why you'll miss another +1% move for the day.

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Jim
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May 6, 2019 at 2:49 PM ×

There is a change in the wind and it will not pretty. Something is up. I get the feeling that the whole system is failing

A couple of interesting related articles:

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"Cashing In: How to Make Negative Interest Rates Work"

https://blogs.imf.org/2019/02/05/cashing-in-how-to-make-negative-interest-rates-
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From Ray Dalio: MMT is coming...doesn't not matter if you like it or not

It’s Time to Look More Carefully at “Monetary Policy 3 (MP3)” and “Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)”

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/its-time-look-more-carefully-monetary-policy-3-mp3-modern-ray-dalio/

Ben Hunt:

"This is Water"

"Financialization is profit margin growth without labor productivity growth."

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Jim
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May 6, 2019 at 2:50 PM ×

Left out Ben Hunt link

Ben Hunt:

"This is Water"

"Financialization is profit margin growth without labor productivity growth."

https://www.epsilontheory.com/this-is-water/

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 3:56 PM ×

The system is working fine. Anyone who isn't a total moron is buying US equities or equity indexes. I am up over +1% in an hour today. If you're not doing likewise, seriously get another job because you're way too stupid to trade.

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 4:08 PM ×

golly, how do you buy an index? you are definitely a genius.

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 7:41 PM ×

@Anon 4:08 - Haha feeling a bit sour that you've missed the entire massive bull market in stocks the past 10 years? Hahahaha fcking MORON!

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 7:45 PM ×

no no. you misunderstand. i'm already a billionaire. just curious as i'm unfamiliar with the public markets. didn't realize you could actually buy an index. thought you could only purchase a security listed on an index. oh, and fucking has a U in it.

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Anonymous
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May 6, 2019 at 8:44 PM ×

You didn't realize you could buy SPY. You fcking inbred. If I fell into a brain-dead coma I'd have more intellect at my disposal than you.

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Jim
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May 6, 2019 at 9:00 PM ×

So how's Nico's massive ES short doing? He had about 500 contracts short (maybe more) and the SP500 is now about 600 pts higher this year. So let's assume he's lost about $15 million on this one trade alone. And btw, he's made several other calls like this over the past 5 years, losing approx $5-15 million per trade :)

Even funnier were the many idiot posters here who subscribed to his view. Not surprisingly, they've all run away now that they've been proved wrong by the BTFD crowd. Gotta love the internet. lol.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 2:24 AM ×

this is the top (give or take 50 spoos). say goodbye to equities until 2021. Nico, now or never. LB, much love. Dipsters, keep buying you idiots. Moniker, move to Oxbridge and be a don. Amps, take your meds.

The top.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 3:51 AM ×

+1 on the Baumgartner

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 7:02 AM ×

2009: "This is the top" 2010: "This is the top" 2011: "This is the top" 2012: "This is the top"... 2018: "This is the top" and now 2019: "This is the top"...

Fuck off you morons. Will you never learn? The Fed is Trump's bitch and will NEVER let spoos fall. Every dip will be bought until central banks own 95% of all financial securities (just like Japan). Wake up morons.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 7:29 AM ×

Chinese just caved to Trump, the BTFD crowd were right again! Dow up +100 points in the last 5 mins.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 9:00 AM ×



Anonymous,

I'll have you know, I stopped taking those modafinils after a week, ghastly. The strongest thing I've had in 16 years is a double shot latte. And yes, my modafinil supplier had dancing biscuits on offer. Your first one is always your best one...I'd say after 16 years I'll be ready for round two. Till then...its call human capital growth.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 12:42 PM ×

The Tippy Top. 1637, 1797, 1819, 1837, 1857, 1884, 1901, 1907, 1929, 1937, 1974, 1987, 1992, 1997, 2000, 2008. As long as men are men, everything they touch or imagine is flawed and will eventually fail.

This blog hasn’t been ruined by the witless trolls. Whoever should be moderating has fallen down on the job. I had a gander back when MM was running things and civility ruled. He would delete comments for lack of etiquette or topicality.

You had one job.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 2:26 PM ×

BUY THE DIP YOU FAGS !

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 3:05 PM ×

You're wrong dip-boy. triple top, shitty fundamentals, imploding macro and stupid boards buying back at the top (as usual). the jig is up.

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Jim
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May 7, 2019 at 3:54 PM ×

Here come the macro-fags, spewing their perma-bear crap because indexes have sold off 1%. In another few days the SP500 will be above ATHs, and the macro men will have to resort to trading sexual favors off each other in an attempt to feel better. Hahaha

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 3:57 PM ×

Looks like dip-trolls are vehementaly abused from their bosses.

Trade deal collapsing which will burst a lot of small bubbles. Semis, US oil, etc

Trump could not recruit cronies in Fed.

PBOC easing has been faded since that's just for Chinese peoples only.

Fed is controlling buybacks while jawboning pension funds on not to take corporate debt where the money raised was used for buybacks.


All it implies -- Dip-trolls desperation level ONLY is touching new highs now --


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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 3:58 PM ×

No Jimmy, not perma-bear, just reality.

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WellRed
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May 7, 2019 at 4:46 PM ×

One of the most helpful things that anybody can learn is to give up trying to catch the last eighth-or the first. These two are the most expensive eighths in the world.

BTFD is chasing that last eighth.

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IPA
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May 7, 2019 at 6:32 PM ×

BTFD is chasing that last eighth

I doubt it. This is likely still only 50% of this bull market. The Sp500 could easily rise to 5000 or 6000 from here.

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BTFD
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May 7, 2019 at 6:34 PM ×

Hopefully we get a 5%+ correction here in spoos under ATHs (statistically that would be normal). It'll provide a nice opportunity for those of us who can actually trade to buy a proper dip.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 8:44 PM ×

whoa, whoa whoa! "statistically"? don't start using reason and logic now big fella. follow your own advice: YOU FUCKING MORON...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...BUY BUY BUY BUY THE THE THE DIPDIPDIPDIPDIPDIP!!!!!!!! Only a fucking idiot wouldn't!!!!!!!!!!

"actually"? "proper"? "normal"? what a pussy.

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BTFD
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May 7, 2019 at 9:07 PM ×

Dow up +220pts in the last 20mins of trading. As I said - buy the dip.

Good to see the ass-wipes ranting away above - shows me you're all losing money hand over fist ROFL

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 9:14 PM ×

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 220 points! hhahahahahahaha! such an ass clown. made money fuckstick. you didn't. keep buying cocksucker.

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Jim
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May 7, 2019 at 9:16 PM ×

Anon 9:14 Keep sucking your boyfriend's dick, it'll make you feel better about yourself.

Leave the trading to the rest of us. I wonder how many other macro fags got sucked into this fake selling? ES has recovered half the day's fall in 20 minutes LOL!

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 9:18 PM ×

9:14 You need help dude.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 9:26 PM ×

that's the realest fake selling i ever did see Jimbo. since this blog is fucking done like a hair in a biscuit anyway, let's just continue the descent into fucking nonsense. I got nothin but time and money.

Jimmy, JBTFD, BTFD and assorted Anonymous: You're fucking long and wrong. this is it you shitbird imbeciles. prepare to be poor.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 9:56 PM ×

Anon 9:26,

You are the one that is wrong my friend. The BTFD crowd has been, is and will be right for the foreseeable future. I'm quite certain they are wealthier than you and you should acknowledge that. They are better people and have been very restrained and measured in their responses considering your stupidity.

Never mind that their advocacy of a 25,000 SPX would mean wheelbarrows of cash to buy bread, the end of all western civilization and Hobbesian apocalypse. The important thing is that they are right and smart and you are wrong and dumb.

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 10:15 PM ×

Lot's of macro men getting triggered today. They must have blown their demo accounts or some such... tensions clearly running high. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Anonymous
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May 7, 2019 at 10:24 PM ×

1/11/1973 - 121.74
7/17/1980 - 121.84

That is a long, long time.

Inflation rates:

1973: 6.2
1974: 11
1975: 9.1
1976: 5.8
1977: 6.5
1978: 7.6
1979: 11.3
1980: 13.5

Jan 1 1973 to Dec 31 1979

Adjusted for Inflation and Including Dividends

Average return: -2.87%

Annualized return(True CAGR): -5.18%

$1.00 grew to: $0.69

And everyone (and I mean everyone) says it can't happen again.

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Moniker
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May 7, 2019 at 11:05 PM ×

Wow. A lot of sound and fury today.

While definitely not in the BTFD camp yet still too chicken to short SPY, I’m quite pleased with my 2018 long the short end of curve as well as short EURUSD. Stopped out on my short of GBPUSD down 8%. Booo. Longs in Product Tankers have also done quite well YTD. Said this a few weeks ago but so far I have been completely wrong on Crude. Back to the drawing board. Still love soft commodities, especially with tariffs and Mississippi floods.

LB, can you be tempted back to this asylum with an update?

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Anonymous
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May 8, 2019 at 1:16 AM ×

Seriously, can we pls moderate and delete all bullying and personal insults.
This is the best forum I've found on these topics and it's been hijacked by one vile person.
Happy to put volunteer if time is the issue

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Anonymous
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May 8, 2019 at 8:15 AM ×

Equity indexes rallied from the close (as I said), and are rallying again on the London open. You can't keep them down! BUY THE DIP ! We NEVER lose. NEVER !!

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May 8, 2019 at 8:51 AM ×

Over 30 points of ripping off the lows for $SPX as $ES_F trades up nicely. Not out of the woods, but that low today was so quick that it’s indicative of tradable bottom.

Follow me and learn to make real money BTFD !

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